No Pleasing Some People…

8 comments March 23rd, 2007at 06:41pm Posted by Eli

I really don’t get this.

Okay, so KagroX, Atrios, and Aravosis had an off-the-record lunch with Democratic Senators and they can’t talk about it. And this is bad, because…? I thought we wanted the Democrats to listen to the blogosphere? I thought we were frustrated they marginalize and ignore us? And now that they’re finally reaching out to the blogosphere, it means the bloggers who talked to them are big fat sellouts?

Sure, I’d love to know what was talked about, mostly just to hear how receptive the Senators were, and whether they intended to change the way they engage with the netroots. But to me the most important thing about the lunch was the information transfer in the other direction, from the bloggers to the Democrats. The more they listen to liberal bloggers, and the less they listen to professional losers like Bob Shrum, the better.

Entry Filed under: Blogosphere,Democrats,Politics,Wankers


  • 1. HopeSpringsATurtle  |  March 24th, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    I now see the left blogosphere as a ‘shadow government’. Through our constant pressure on the powers that be, we become a force to be reckoned with and people will cease to depend on CNN and the shills of the MSM to get their news (except for Fox people) and will turn to the LB for real information. It’s already happening…

  • 2. Eli  |  March 24th, 2007 at 3:30 pm

    I think we’re more of a shadow media, but I’ll take what I can get…

  • 3. Interrobang  |  March 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pm

    I’d say “parallel media” rather than “shadow” media. We’re not hidden, exactly. If there’s a crypticness about liberal blogging, it’s the digital divide, and I mean that not only in terms of access, but also in terms of computer/internet literacy.

    (That does rather beg the question of the very existence of FreeRepublic, however, I think.)

  • 4. Eli  |  March 24th, 2007 at 11:00 pm

    Well, we’re not *deliberately* hiding, certainly. But that doesn’t mean that most people know where to find us. I think most of our influence is indirect, as a nagging conscience to the MSM and Democratic politicians.

    Which they still ignore on a regular basis.

  • 5. Donna  |  March 25th, 2007 at 10:45 am

    It seems to me that some bloggers want to be the next Bob Shrum and that is the problem right there. Quite often one of them will slip and say things that show that they think they are better than the riffraff that comments, and that they don’t believe in open dialogue but rather the same group think you find at Free Republic. They will tell you what to think and who to vote for.

    Also, it’s that they are being courted to be coopted. It’s what they mean over at FDL about the cocktail weenie circuit. You become an insider and then watch what you say in order to stay on the inside.

  • 6. Eli  |  March 25th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    In some cases, that’s probably true – Atrios is the only one who I’m pretty sure doesn’t care whether he’s an insider or not.

    But the thing is, would you rather the Democrats listen to liberal bloggers, or the political consultants who keep losing elections for them? I would much rather they listened to the bloggers, so I consider it a very good sign every time they do.

    Now, if they’re just stroking them to get their support but ignoring everything they say (helloooo, Clintons!), that’s not so good.

    But bloggers, especially bloggers with commenters, are more accountable than journalists or consultants, because they have to answer to their commenters and other bloggers if they sell out and start defending the indefensible.

    Sure, there will always be loyalists who defend them no matter what they do or say, but I’m pretty sure that if Atrios started shilling for Hillary, or insisting that everything the Democrats do is part of a Brilliant Master Plan, he would catch all kinds of shit for it, and his credibility and prestige would take a huge hit.

  • 7. dirk gently, sociopathetic  |  March 26th, 2007 at 9:50 am

    if a left wing blogger falls on a senator in the forest, does he post about it?

  • 8. Eli  |  March 26th, 2007 at 9:53 am

    I sure wood.

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