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		<title>By: ellroon</title>
		<link>http://multi-medium.net/2007/05/20/clean-bees-are-happy-bees/comment-page-1#comment-20465</link>
		<dc:creator>ellroon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 22:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you are right.  There is a difference between natural bee hives being maintained by bee hobbyists and stressed out commercial bee hives filled with larger than normal mutated bees.  It is only the commercial bees that seem to have CCD, although I&#039;ve read only a few natural bee keeper posts to say that.

It might even be melamine in their bee food (yes, commercial bee keepers do make bee food) because the recipes call for soy protein or flour (?) and that is on the FDA&#039;s watch list of food from China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you are right.  There is a difference between natural bee hives being maintained by bee hobbyists and stressed out commercial bee hives filled with larger than normal mutated bees.  It is only the commercial bees that seem to have CCD, although I&#8217;ve read only a few natural bee keeper posts to say that.</p>
<p>It might even be melamine in their bee food (yes, commercial bee keepers do make bee food) because the recipes call for soy protein or flour (?) and that is on the FDA&#8217;s watch list of food from China.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://multi-medium.net/2007/05/20/clean-bees-are-happy-bees/comment-page-1#comment-20441</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 11:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, she certainly could be wrong, but I&#039;d like to know if someone is at least looking into whether there&#039;s a difference between CCD incidences in organic bee colonies vs. the highly-manipulated ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, she certainly could be wrong, but I&#8217;d like to know if someone is at least looking into whether there&#8217;s a difference between CCD incidences in organic bee colonies vs. the highly-manipulated ones.</p>
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		<title>By: ellroon</title>
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		<dc:creator>ellroon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been collecting information on the Colony Collapse Disorder:
http://rantsfromtherookery.blogspot.com/search?q=bees

Stress is one of many of the things being looked at.  A 70% loss of commercial bees in the east coast of the U.S. should be a red alert to all of us.  It is in Taiwan, Egypt, and Europe as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been collecting information on the Colony Collapse Disorder:<br />
<a href="http://rantsfromtherookery.blogspot.com/search?q=bees" rel="nofollow">http://rantsfromtherookery.blogspot.com/search?q=bees</a></p>
<p>Stress is one of many of the things being looked at.  A 70% loss of commercial bees in the east coast of the U.S. should be a red alert to all of us.  It is in Taiwan, Egypt, and Europe as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, that last sentence in the first graf should read:  &#8220;I would suggest that just because within her select group of organic beekeepers that she knows about no one has <i>reported</i> cases of CCD, <i>doesn&#8217;t mean</i> it’s not happening, as well.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Interrobang</title>
		<link>http://multi-medium.net/2007/05/20/clean-bees-are-happy-bees/comment-page-1#comment-20419</link>
		<dc:creator>Interrobang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 01:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure she&#039;s right.  I&#039;ve read the original paper by the CCD working group, and they were talking to a variety of different sizes of apiaries, not just &quot;big commercial&quot; producers.  Some of the beekeepers they surveyed were fumigating, some were not. I would suggest that just because within her select group of organic beekeepers that she knows about no one has &lt;i&gt;reported&lt;/I&gt; cases of CCD, it&#039;s not happening, as well.

I&#039;m also not sure the North American commercial beekeeping standard operating procedures translate worldwide, and there have certainly been enough cases outside of North America to make me very, very skeptical of what she has to say.  I think this is a bigger, deeper problem than she seems to figure (for one thing, the CCD bees showed low to normal infestations by varroa mites, but multiple fungal and bacterial coinfections), and I don&#039;t imagine there is a magic bullet answer.

In short, I&#039;m skeptical of these uncredentialed types who pop up every now and again claiming they have all the answers, or &lt;i&gt;the&lt;/i&gt; answer, because they&#039;re usually wrong.

Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ento.psu.edu/MAAREC/pressReleases/FallDwindleUpdate0107.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure she&#8217;s right.  I&#8217;ve read the original paper by the CCD working group, and they were talking to a variety of different sizes of apiaries, not just &#8220;big commercial&#8221; producers.  Some of the beekeepers they surveyed were fumigating, some were not. I would suggest that just because within her select group of organic beekeepers that she knows about no one has <i>reported</i> cases of CCD, it&#8217;s not happening, as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also not sure the North American commercial beekeeping standard operating procedures translate worldwide, and there have certainly been enough cases outside of North America to make me very, very skeptical of what she has to say.  I think this is a bigger, deeper problem than she seems to figure (for one thing, the CCD bees showed low to normal infestations by varroa mites, but multiple fungal and bacterial coinfections), and I don&#8217;t imagine there is a magic bullet answer.</p>
<p>In short, I&#8217;m skeptical of these uncredentialed types who pop up every now and again claiming they have all the answers, or <i>the</i> answer, because they&#8217;re usually wrong.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.ento.psu.edu/MAAREC/pressReleases/FallDwindleUpdate0107.pdf" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eyesore? I think not! &#171; virgotext</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyesore? I think not! &#171; virgotext</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 00:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATED: Speaking of bees, Eli is completely down with the bee-portage, here and here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: spocko</title>
		<link>http://multi-medium.net/2007/05/20/clean-bees-are-happy-bees/comment-page-1#comment-20391</link>
		<dc:creator>spocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in a bad mode today. I was channeling a Republican beekeeper who listens to Hannity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in a bad mode today. I was channeling a Republican beekeeper who listens to Hannity.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if the bee outsourcing is better in Beejing or Mumbee (formerly Bombee).

Seriously, though, it&#039;s probably not a good idea to trash-talk the bees, as one of my posts this evening will make clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the bee outsourcing is better in Beejing or Mumbee (formerly Bombee).</p>
<p>Seriously, though, it&#8217;s probably not a good idea to trash-talk the bees, as one of my posts this evening will make clear.</p>
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		<title>By: spocko</title>
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		<dc:creator>spocko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 19:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fraking lazy bees. I&#039;ll bet that we could get some of those African Bees to do the same work for 1/2 the price. And if they don&#039;t like it, tough. Now is the time to start outsourcing our pollination.

Maybe China will pick up the slack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fraking lazy bees. I&#8217;ll bet that we could get some of those African Bees to do the same work for 1/2 the price. And if they don&#8217;t like it, tough. Now is the time to start outsourcing our pollination.</p>
<p>Maybe China will pick up the slack.</p>
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