Cenk You Very Much

4 comments August 6th, 2007at 11:55am Posted by Eli

Cenk Uygur isn’t real happy about the Democrats caving on FISA to make it even easier for the government to spy on American citizens with no oversight whatsoever.

It really is extremely frustrating and infuriating, after the netroots and grassroots helped sweep the Democrats into power for the express purpose of ending the occupation of Iraq and checking Dubya’s dictatorial ambitions, they have done neither. So now what? It doesn’t seem like we have any good options, other than Cenk’s recommendation of a massive primary campaign against all the capitulators (much easier said than done).

If we can’t pull off a bunch of successful progressive primaries, then I think we’re left with the following four scenarios, all of which suck pretty hard:

1) Grassroots/netroots sit on our hands and refuse to support feckless Dems, and they win anyway. Feckless Dems confirm that they don’t need us to win, cozy up even closer to corporate lobbyists.

2) Grassroots/netroots sit on our hands and refuse to support feckless Dems, and they lose. 50/50 chance of feckless Dems either getting the message, or concluding that they weren’t centrist enough. America moves ever closer to the banana republic event horizon.

3) Netroots/grassroots hold our noses and support feckless because they’re still not Republicans, and they win. Feckless Dems conclude that we’re suckers who will support them no matter what they do.

4) Netroots/grassroots support feckless Dems and they lose anyway. Feckless Dems conclude that not only are we suckers, but we’re ineffectual and irrelevant, and that they must move farther to the “center” in order to win. America’s spiral towards the banana republic event horizon accelerates.

It looks like primary challenges may be our only hope of detaching the Democratic Party from the Republican Party. They will not listen to us unless they fear us.

Entry Filed under: Constitution,Democrats,Politics,Wankers

4 Comments

  • 1. virgotex  |  August 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pm

    3 is most likely.

    2 maybe, though I can’t see that kind of discipline on any truly effective scale happening – to sit out a national election?

    And if so, I”m not sure whether the Dems would get it or not. I’m not sure “getting it” is the issue. Even if they got it, I think they would still cleave to the center because it’s a safe bet and they get to keep their jobs. Which is, I believe, all they care about. Preservation.

  • 2. More FISA blowback for th&hellip  |  August 6th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    […] where is the progressive blogosphere now, vis a vis 2008? Eli runs the various scenarios, none of them […]

  • 3. Captain Goto  |  August 6th, 2007 at 5:27 pm

    If we call

    pull[ing] off a bunch of successful progressive primaries

    option “zero”, then I think that–as usual–what we get will be some combination of 0 thru 4. Which is to say, I think that:

    –some primary challenges will be effective, and some establishment Dems will take the lesson that they should grow a spine

    –some primary challenges will fail, and some establishment Dems will take the lesson that they should keep doing exactly what they’ve been doing all along.

    Clearly, though, we ain’t exackly got a choice here. If we do nothing, as you say, it all sucks and that’s that. This sure ain’t gonna fix itself.

    Have you got a ride yet?

  • 4. Eli  |  August 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pm

    2 maybe, though I can’t see that kind of discipline on any truly effective scale happening – to sit out a national election?

    I don’t think we have to sit out the whole election, just the ones where useless Dems are running. I think we’re going to have to support the presidential nominee, no matter how loathsome they are.

    And if so, I”m not sure whether the Dems would get it or not. I’m not sure “getting it” is the issue. Even if they got it, I think they would still cleave to the center because it’s a safe bet and they get to keep their jobs. Which is, I believe, all they care about. Preservation.

    Well, the message that they need to get is that our support is neither automatic nor irrelevant, so if they want to keep their jobs, they *have* to listen to us.

    Of course, if they *can* get elected without us, then that pretty much undermines the whole message.


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