They Can Not Be Serious…

6 comments February 14th, 2008at 11:20am Posted by Eli

If this really is an accurate representation of the Clinton mindset, then I think I have to support Obama:

…Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton’s communications director, Howard Wolfson.

“I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,” Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

“We don’t make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,” Wolfson said. “And we don’t make distinctions when it comes to elected officials” who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

“We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,” he added.

Clinton advisers rejected the notion that the candidate — and the party — would be badly wounded in the general election if the nominee were essentially selected by a group of party insiders.

“This is a nomination system that exists of caucuses, primaries, superdelegates and also the issue of voters in Florida and Michigan,” states whose delegates currently will not be seated at the convention because they broke party rules by moving up their primaries to January, said Mark Penn, senior strategist for the Clinton campaign. But “whoever the nominee is, the party will come together behind that nominee,” he said.


Clinton — who initially joined other Democrats in opposing Michigan and Florida’s decisions to go ahead with early primaries — now wants the votes of those primaries counted. The Obama camp thinks that idea is unfair, since candidates were not allowed to campaign in those states, and Clinton alone kept her name on the Michigan ballot, meaning Obama did not have a chance at getting even provisional delegates.

How does Hillary expect to have any legitimacy if she wins the nomination without a majority of the Democratic vote or pledged delegates? This approach would be particularly foul-smelling to the party that got burned by Bush v. Gore in 2000, and I think Democratic voters would stay home in droves, handing McCain the presidency and crippling Democratic efforts to gain ground in Congress.

The winner of the primaries should be the nominee. Period.

(h/t Group News Blog)

Entry Filed under: Clinton,Democrats,Elections,Politics,Wankers


  • 1. bdr  |  February 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    These were the rules at the start of the game, and Obama entered this contest voluntarily, fully aware the game was rigged by Dem Corp to anoint HRC, so no crying.

    He wins Texas and Ohio and Pennsylvania, it won’t be an issue.

  • 2. Multi Medium » Supe&hellip  |  February 14th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    […] is the practical purpose of the superdelegates, anyway?  It appears that they are either a way to circumvent the will of the primary and caucus […]

  • 3. bdr  |  February 14th, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    My point is that Obama knew the rules going in and has, remarkably, kicked ass, and I guarantee his lobbyists are offering the same candy as HRC to super-delegates.

    As you say, super-delegates isn’t democracy, but they are the rules of this season, and Obama will twist them every bit as much to his advantage, hypocrisy be damned, as HRC.

    If he DOES win the nomination, after Clinton INC and Dem Corp gave her cheating advantage, that says his political skills are more than charisma.

    Apologies. The gnashing of HRC for being a politician, as much as I don’t like her myself, pisses me off.

  • 4. Eli  |  February 14th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Well, Hillary’s people are all but *bragging* about it, which doesn’t speak well for either their ethics or their judgment, but you are correct that Obama’s people could just as well be doing the exact same thing, only more discreetly. In which case they’re all scum.

    Hopefully this will not become a Democratic Party crisis, but perhaps it will get close enough for everyone to realize just how stupid and anti-democratic the current process is.

  • 5. Cujo359  |  February 15th, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Did you see this today? Looks like if money’s the unit of measure, then Obama’s way ahead:

    The Center for Responsive Politics has a new study out which finds that the two have donated a total of more than $890,000 to those super-delegates who are elected officials in the past three years. Who’s donated more? Obama has, by far.

    According to the study, Obama’s PAC and campaign committe have given out $694,000 to such superdelegates. Some 40% of the supers who support Obama received cash from him, the study finds.

    [from TPM]

    Can’t you just smell those cigars?

  • 6. Eli  |  February 15th, 2008 at 7:35 am

    Well, fab. I guess Obama just has smarter spokespeople…

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